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1879: June 2
John Alexander McKinstry To James Cobb:
Longmeadow June 2d /79
My Dear Sir:
I received yours in
due season, but delayed ans-
wering till I could hear from
mother in answer to the ques-
tions you propounded. En-
closed you will find over her
signature that answer -- al-
though not as elaborate as
I could have wished
It seems that the "M. S."
was not delivered in person
to Hurlbut, but that Grand-
mother was visiting at Mothers
at the time, and had not her effects
with her (she afterwards made
her home at our house,) but had
left the M. S. in her trunk at
[p. 2]
one Mrs. Clarks (at Hartwick,
N. Y.) She gave Hurlbut
a letter to this Mrs. Clark
requesting her to deliver the
"M. S." to him, the bearer
Now, had the "M. S." not been
in said trunk, she, Grand-
mother never would have
written that letter, for she
was a woman above deceit
or double dealing, and I know
that she ever after believed
that the M. S. was delivered
to Hurlbut and I myself
have frequently heard her
lament that that she ever
allowed herself to be persuaded
into permitting it to pass
into his possession -- and I
have heard mother say many
a time that she said all she
could at the time to dissuade
[o. 3]
Grandmother from the act.
As my brother (who was two
years older than myself) and I
grew older, and realized what
had passed from the family, as
we religiously believed in to
Hurlbut's hands, never to be
seen again we reproached
Grandmother for being so easily
duped and depriving us of
what might have been valu-
able -- she always said that
she had done what seemed
for the best at that time -- that
as the writings of her husband
had been used as the foundation
of Mormonism, she felt it her
duty to do all in her power to
bring that fact to light, and
that with that feeling uppermost
in her heart, she had let
Hurlbut have the M. S. -- upon
[p. 4]
his solemn promise to return
the same after it had been
compared with the book of Mor-
mon. I have written of
these little things, not that
they are of importance in them[-]
selves -- but to show that Grand-
mother, Mother, and all of
us firmly believed that
Hurlbut did have the "M. S." in
his possession --
To my mind there is one
of two things certain. Either
Mrs Clark failed to comply with
Grandmothers request and dis-
posed of the "M. S." otherwise
or Hurlbut received it and
disposed of it to better advantage
than to deliver it to Howe.
One thing is certain
Grandmother never saw
the M. S. again after her inter[-]
view with Hurlbut at Monson
She left it in her trunk, she
gave an order for it on the
one in whose possession the trunk
was, and it was taken from
the trunk on that occasion
what would be the inference?
It is altogether probable that
the subject must have been
referred to on Grandmothers
meeting Mrs Clark again, and
it is equally probable that she
had no occasion to think that Mrs
Clark failed to deliver the M. S. to
Hurlbut yrs truly
J. A. McKinstry
Longmeadow
Mass
To J T Cobb
Salt Lake City
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1. Ref: Wisconsin Schroeder Collection, Box 2, folder 1.
2. This letter sounds like the first reply of Mr. McKinstry to
an initial solicitation of information by James T. Cobb. Presumably,
Mr. Cobb first wrote to Mr. McKinstry during the spring of 1879.
3. John's older brother is nowhere else documented. Perhaps he
died early. John was born in Monson in 1831, so his older brother
was probably born in Monson in about 1829.
4. Unfortunately the signed statement by Mrs. McKinstry
as referred to herein is no longer attached to this letter and
is presumed to have been lost. Given its date of c.2 June 1879,
this would appear to represent Mrs. McKinstry's earliest
written statement on the subject of the Spalding Enigma.
Given the fact that Mrs. McKinstry's mid-1879 statement has
disappeared, her c. January, 1880 letter to Ellen E. Dickinson may
serve in a limited way as a surrogate for Mrs. McKinstry's
verbalized thoughts on the matter prior to the publication of
her 1880 statement in Scribners' Monthly. See also McKinstry's
own 1880 letter to James T. Cobb (below).
http://www.solomonspalding.com/docs/l790602a.htm
5. John A. McKinstry was the son of Solomon Spalding's adopted daughter, Matilda (after 1828 Matilda McKinstry). His letter demonstrates that as early as 1879 Mr. McKinstry had a competent grasp of past events pertaining to his family's involvement in the Spalding claims for the origin of the Book of Mormon. An earlier (and greatly garbled) report on John's recollections of some of these same events may be found in an article printed in a late July 1877 issue of the Springfield Republican.
John mentions enclosing a signed statement made by his mother, Matilda McKinstry. This statement has become detached from the Sept. 2nd letter and it is not filed in the same folder in the Special Collections of the University of Wisconsin's Theodore A. Schroeder papers. The c. late Aug. 1877 Matilda McKinstry Statement was probably removed by Schroeder himself when he received possession of Cobb's papers after 1901.
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1879: September 1
REV. ROBERT PATTERSON, JR., TO JAMES COBB: 6 SEPTEMBER 1879
Pittsburgh, Sept. 6th, 1879.
James T. Cobb, Esq.
Dear Sir,
... Dr. McKinstry writes me from Longmeadow under date Sept. 1st, taking about the same view as yourself of Hurlbut's statement. He says:
"Hurlbut's statement does not alter my belief that he did have "Manuscript Found" in his possession and disposed of it to his own advantage. x x x x His statement that he did not know the contents of the paper he passed over to Mr. Howe seems to me perfectly ridiculous. I can hardly realize that a man interested in the publication of a work, and having in his possession what he must have supposed under the circumstances was of the greatest importance to the value of that work, could have manifested so little interest-- or at least curiosity-- as not to have given it at least a passing notice. Neither can I believe that any man who has the least claim to common sense would accept blindly, without even looking at its contents, a worthless package in place of a valuable MS. x x x x
"Did Hurlbut have the means to buy a farm at that time? Did the money paid for his interest in the Howe book amount to sufficient? If not, where did it come from? The fact of his being at sword's point with Joe Smith would not prevent his negotiating with other parties, if he had anything valuable to sell. The fact of his withdrawing from the enterprise and severing his business connection with Mr. Howe immediately after his journey to procure the MS, and when we have reason to suppose he did procure it, is, to say the least, very suspicious. x x x What could be easier? The Mormons wanted the MS; he wanted money. I know this is but supposition, but all the facts point that way.
"To sum all up in a few words: grandmother left the MS with a friend; she gave Hurlbut an order on that friend for it; she never saw it afterwards.'
Dr. McKinstry then accounts for Mr. Austin's impression that Mrs. Davison told him she had given the MS to Hurlbut at Monson, on the supposition that she spoke of it as then and there given, just as when a man gives a check or order for money, he often says "I gave A. B. the money."
He closes by saying: "I hardly know what further can be done to unravel the mystery. If Hurlbut disposed of the MS, he of course did not do it openly; and although, like the present race of policemen, we may have a "theory," we can do nothing without a clue."
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[1880]: January 2d
Mrs. Matilda Spalding McKinstry to [Ellen E. Dickinson]:
Dear Madam
yours of the 6th inst
received, and in reply I will say,
1st that the article in the paper to
which you refer is correct, and it is
true that my mother and myself did
carfully compare the so called, "Book of
Mo Mormon," with the romance written
by yu my father entitled "The
Manuscript found," and were con-
vinced that the "Book of Mormon
was a copy of my father's work more
or less disfigured from beginning to
end by the founders of Mormonism,
the better to adapt it to their purposes
that of a pretended revelation.
An incontestible proof of the origin
of the, "Book of Normon, is manifest
in the fact that the, "Manuscript Found
was completed about 1813. the names
[p. 2]
persons tribes &c were peculiar to
the author, author, being his invention
in fact. [In} it names of Mormon and
his son Moroni figures conspicuously.
About 1830 the Book of Mormon appeared
and contained the identical names as
fictitious history of "The Manuscript
Found which could have been pro-
cured from no other source.
Soon after this (1830) meeting[s]
were held by the Mormons at New
Salem. Many attended out of curiosity
among others my father's brother,
who at once recognized the "Book
of Mormon" as the writing of his
brother
2nd I most emphatically
deny that the Mormons have any
statement from my mother or
myself as they claim. If any pur-
posing to bee such exists it is a
forgery.
[p. 3]
3rd While my father resided at Pittsburg
the "Manuscript was borrowed by one
"Patterson" who owned a large book
establishment and printing office.
"Sidney Rigdon" was at that time
employed at this office and we
have always believed that he copied
it then and there.
Personally I know nothing
of the character of the founders of
Mormonism, neither can I give you
the address of any one from whome
you could obtain the desired infor-
mation.
Respectfully yours
M. S. McKinstry
Monson,
Mass.
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1. Ref: RLDS Archives (P-13, f2286
2. This document is almost certainly a holograph letter written
by Matilda Spalding McKinstry, the adopted daughter of Solomon
Spalding and Matilda Sabin Spalding. The provenance of the letter
is Monson, Hampden county, MA, c. January 1880. Mrs. McKinstry
moved to Washington, D. C. during the first part of 1880, so this
letter was likely written just before her change of residence.
3. Although the circumstantial evidence is not conclusive, Mrs.
McKinstry very likely wrote this letter to her Mother's brother's
daughter, Mrs. Ellen E. Dickinson of Boston. When Mrs. Dickinson
wrote her 1880 and 1881 articles for Scrobner's Monthly, she
paraphrased much of what Mrs. McKinstry says in this letter. Also,
Dickinson's 1885 book, New Light on Mormonism, contains some
of the same problematical assertions regarding the origin of the
Book of Mormon as does Mrs. McKinstry's letter.
4. The McKinstry letter was quite possiblt forwarded to Joseph
Smith III as an attachment in some lost correspondence between
Mrs. Ellen E. Dickinson and the RLDS President, c. 1882-85. It
is also possible that the McKinstry letter was sent to the RLDS
leadership as an attachment in the correspondence of some one
like Robert Patterson, Jr. of Pittsburgh, but such an explanation
would not account for how the correspondent obtained the letter.
5. Mrs. McKinstry does not provide details on how she and her
motehr came to have a copy of the Book of Mormon, or under
what circumstances they were able to compare that book with
Rev. Spalding's "Manuscript Found" prior to its being delivered
to D. P. Hurlbut in December 1834. Presumably the mother and
daughter made the comparison at the home of Jerome Clark.
6. Mrs. McKinstry apparently forgets that she and her mother
gave statements in the late summer of 1839, edited paraphrases
of which were subsequently printed in numerous Mormon
publications. Perhaps she never saw what was represented as
being the LDS-published words of her mother and herself.
(this section is under construction)
1880: April
MATILDA SPALDING McKINSTRY TO ELLEN E. DICKINSON: 3 APRIL 1880
(SWORN)*
"Washington, D.C.,
April 3rd, 1880
"So much has been published that is erroneous concerning the `Manuscript Found,' written by my father, the Rev. Solomon Spalding, and its supposed connection with the book, called the Mormon Bible, I have willingly consented to make the following statement regarding it, repeating all that I remember personally of this manuscript, and all that is of importance which my mother related to me in connection with it, at the same time affirming that I am in tolerable health and vigor, and that my memory, in common with elderly people, is clearer in regard to the events of my earlier years, rather than those of my maturer life.
"During the year of 1812, I was residing with my parents in a little town in Ohio called Conneaut. I was then in my sixth year. My father was in business there, and I remember his iron foundry and the men he had at work, but that he remained at home most of the time and was reading and writing a great deal. He frequently wrote little stories, which he read to me. There were some round mounds of earth near our house which greatly interested him, and he said a tree on top of one of them was a thousand years old. He set some of his men to work digging into one of these mounds, and I vividly remember how excited he became when he heard that they had exhumed some human bones, portions of giant skeletons, and various relics. He talked with my mother of these discoveries in the mound, and was writing every day as the work progressed. Afterward he read the manuscript which I had seen him writing, to the neighbors and to a clergyman, a friend of his, who came to see him.(**) Some of the names that he mentioned while reading to these people I have never forgotten. They are as fresh to me to-day as though I heard them yesterday. They were Mormon, Moroni, Lamenite, Nephi. We removed from Conneaut to Pittsburgh while I was still very young, but every circumstance of this removal is distinct in my memory. In that city my father had an intimate friend named Patterson and I frequently visited Mr. Patterson's library with him and heard my father talk about books with him. In 1816 my father died at Amity, Pennsylvania, and directly after his death my mother and myself went to visit at the residence of my mother's brother William H. Sabine, at Onondaga Valley, Onondaga County, New York. Mr. Sabine was a lawyer of distinction and wealth, and greatly respected. We carried all our personal effects with us, and one of these was an old trunk, in which my mother had placed all mt father's writings which had been preserved. I perfectly remember the appearance of this trunk, and of looking at its contents. There were sermons and other papers, and I saw a manuscript about an inch thick, closely written, tied with some of the other stories my father had written for me, one of which he called, `The Frogs of Wyndham.' On the outside of the manuscript were written the words, `Manuscript Found.' I did not read it, but looked through it and had it in my hands many times, and saw the names I had heard at Conneaut, when my father read it to his friends. I was about eleven years of age at this time.
"After we had been at my uncle's house for some time, my mother left me there and went to her father's house at Pomfret, Connecticut, but did not take her furniture nor the old trunk of manuscripts with her. In 1820 [it was actually on 22 November 1819, ed.] she married Mr. [John] Davison, of Hartwicks, a village near Cooperstown, New York, and sent for the things she had left at Onondaga Valley, and I remember that the old trunk, with its contents, reached her in safety. In 1828, I was married to Dr. A. McKinstry of Hampden County, Massachusetts, and went there, to reside. Very soon after [in 1831, ed.] my mother joined me there, and was with me most of the time until her death in 1844. We heard, not long after she came to live with me-- I do not remember just how long-- something of Mormonism, and the report that it had been taken from my father's `Manuscript Found;' and then came to us direct an account of the Mormon meeting at Conneaut, Ohio, and that, [on] one occasion, when the Mormon Bible was read there in public, my father's brother, John Spalding, Mr. Lake, and many other persons who were present, at once recognized its similarity to the `Manuscript Found,' which they had heard read years before by my father in the same town. There was a great deal of talk and a great deal published at this time about Mormonism all over the country. I believe it was in 1834 [it was actually November of 1833, ed.] that a man named Hurlburt [sic] came to my house at Monson to see my mother, who told us that he had been sent by a committee to procure the `Manuscript Found' written by the Rev. Solomon Spalding so as to compare it with the Mormon Bible. He presented a letter to my mother from my uncle, Wm. H. Sabine, of Onondaga Valley, in which he requested her to loan this manuscript to Hurlburt, as he (my uncle) was desirous `to uproot (as he expressed it) this Mormon fraud.' Hurlburt represented that he had been a convert to Mor-monism, but had given it up, and through the `Manuscript Found,' wished to expose its wickedness. My mother was careful to have me with her in all the conversations she had with Hurlburt, who spent a day at my house. She did not like his appearance and mis-trusted his motives, but having great respect for her brother's wishes and opinions, she reluctantly consented to his request. The old trunk containing the desired `Manuscript Found,' she had placed in the care of Mr. Jerome Clark of Hartwicks, when she came to Monson, intending to send for it. On the repeated promise of Hurlburt to return the manuscript to us, she gave him a letter to Mr. Clark to open the trunk and deliver it to him. We afterwards heard that he had received it from Mr. Clark at Hartwicks, but from that time we have never had it in our possession, and I have no present knowledge of its existence, Hurlburt never returning it or answering letters requesting him to do so. Two years ago, I heard he was still living in Ohio, and with my consent he was asked for the `Manuscript Found.' He made no response although we have evidence that he received the letter containing the request. So far I have stated facts within my own knowledge. My mother mentioned many other circumstances to me in connection with this subject which are interesting, of my father's literary tastes, his fine education and peculiar temperament. She stated to me that she had heard the manuscript alluded to read by my father, was familiar with its contents, and she deeply regretted that her husband, as she believed, had innocently been the means of furnishing matter for a religious delusion. She said that my father loaned this `Manuscript Found' to Mr. Patterson, of Pittsburgh, and that when he returned it to my father, he said: `Polish it up, finish it, and you will make money out of it.' My mother confirmed my rememberances of my father's fondness for history, and told me of his frequent conversations regarding a theory which he had of a prehistoric race which had inhabited this continent, etc., all showing that his mind dwelt on this subject. The `Manuscript Found,' she said, was a romance written in Biblical style, and that while she heard it read, she had no special admiration for it more than other romances he wrote and read to her. We never, either of us, ever saw, or in any way communicated with the Mormons, save Hurlburt as above described; and while we have no personal knowledge that the Mormon Bible was taken from the `Manuscript Found,' there were many evidences to us that it was and that Hurlburt and the others at the time thought so. A convincing proof to us of this belief was that my uncle, William H. Sabine, had undoubtedly read the manuscript while it was in his house, and his faith that its production would show to the world that the Mormon Bible had been taken from it, or was the same with slight alterations. I have frequently answered questions which have been asked by different persons regarding the `Manuscript Found,' but until now have never made a statement at length for publication.
M.S. McKinstry.
"Sworn and subscribed before me this 3rd day of April, A.D. 1880, at the city of Washington D.C.
Charles Walter,
Notary Public.
(*) Ref: Dickinson,Ellen E., "The Book of Mormon," Scribner's Monthly magazine, August, 1880, pp.616ff.
(**) The clergyman referred to here was almost certainly the Rev. Joseph Badger (1757-1846), soldier of the Revolution and graduate of Yale (1785), whose pioneering activities as a Congregationalist (and later Presbyterian) minister on the Western Reserve beginning in 1802 are legendary. See A Memoir of Rev. Joseph Badger, (Hudson, Ohio: Sawyer, Ingersoll & Co., 1851); Weimer, Gary W., "Pilgrim in New Connecticut," (m/s: Cambridge, MA, 1967, copy in Ohio Historical Society collection); Sprague, Annals of the American Pulpit, Vol.III, 473-479; History of Ashtabula County, Ohio, pp.86-89; and Eaton, S.J.M, History of the Presbytery of Erie, (NY: Hurd & Houghton, 1868), pp.227ff. According to various sources, Badger preached the first sermon in Conneaut c.1802, in the cabin of Mr. & Mrs. Aron Wright, and paid frequent visits to the community in the years to follow. It is also recorded in his Memoirs that he visited Cherry Valley, New York, circa mid-December 1801, during the time that Solomon Spalding lived there, although no specific mention of Spalding occurs. Unfortunately, due to the death of his daughter in April of 1809, the subsequent loss of almost all of his personal possessions when his home in Austinburg, Ohio, burned to the ground in November of the same year, and an extended bout with "the ague," Rev. Badger seems to have gone through an extended period of mental depression and physical exhaustion between 1809 and 1812 which resulted in a dearth of written records concerning his life and activities during that period. About all that is known for certain is that he devoted most of his time to preaching in the various settlements around Ashtabula and making furniture and other useful items, until the War of 1812 came along, when, in the fall of that year at about the same time Spalding would have been preparing for his move to Pittsburgh, Badger volunteered his services as chaplin to the army. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult to imagine that he left no written comments con-cerning what he may have known of Spalding and "Manuscript Found," yet to date, in spite of a diligent search, nothing has been found. It is possible to speculate, however, that such material may have been among the extensive collection of records and memorabilia accumulated by the Ashtabula County Historical Society which were lost in the tragic fire of 1850.
NOTE: The above statement was written for Mrs. McKinstry by Mrs. Ellen E. Dickinson who commented upon it in her article as follows:
"I wrote this statement as Mrs. McKinstry's dictation, and was obliged to change it and copy it four times before she was satisfied, so anxious was she that no word or expression should occur in it to which she could not solemnly make oath" [p.616]. Mrs. Dickinson described Mrs. McKinstry as "a remarkably intelligent and conscientious woman..." [p.613].
(this section is under construction)
In his letter of June 2, 1879, Dr. John A. McKinstry tells James T. Cobb that he is enclosing "over her signature" the "answer" to some of Cobb's questions to the elderly lady. The original of that 1879 statement by Solomon Spalding's adopted daughter has disappeared, but Cobb's Salt Lake Tribune article of Sept. 7, 1779provides the jist of her short statement -- what John spoke of as being "not as elaborate as I could have wished." Mrs. McKinstry's letter of Aug. 21, 1880, addressed to Cobb ( when her statement for the Aug. 1880 Scribners' Monthly had already gone to press), probably reproduces essentially the content of the earlier, lost letter and agrees with what is quoted by the Tribune: "that... which Mrs. M. S. McKinstry, now of Longmeadow, Mass., the daughter of Solomon Spaulding, has sent over her own signature to the writer of these lines, to wit: that she distinctly recollects seeing used in her father's manuscript, the names Mormon, Moroni, Nephites and Laminites (spelling the last word thus)..."
(this section is under construction)
1880: August 31
Mrs. Matilda Spalding McKinstry To James Cobb:
Shelter Island
Aug 31 /80.
Mr. Cobb.
Sir.
I never before heard
or understood that my father assumed
to have found metal plate[s] from which
he translated "Manuscript Found" or
that he was guided by a vision.
I have no recollection of ever
seeing "Smith," or that he ever
worked for my "Uncle Sabine,"
and if he had, he would have
had no access to any portion of
Mr. Sabine's house, as his kind
[of] help occupied a special dwelling.
I distinctly recollect visiting
a library with my father which
my mother told me was `Mr
Patterson's;" the building was a
large one, and over the door
was a bust of what seemed
to me at that time, as a beautiful
lady, & impressed my childish
fancy. I distinctly remember
seeing in a chair in the center
of the room, a large, heavy
built man of florid complexion
There was an other person
in the room, and my father
had a long conversation with him.
Hurlbut may have received
in addition to "Manuscript Found"
some fragment. tied up with the
bundle, which fragment he
passed over to Mr. Howe, re-
[p. 2]
taining the one of real importance
for personal use.
Mr. Patterson, if you remem-
ber visited Mr Hurlbut armed
with written authority from
myself and children for the
delivery of the document in
question, and I feel that
any communication from my
self to "Mr H" -- would be of no
avail. If he stole the papers,
he would not criminate him-
self by owning it.
In conclusion, I would
say, that all I know, or can
recollect, in regard to the
whole matter, is comprised
in my sworn statement in
the "Scribner Article," and that
nothing further was authorized
[p. 3]
or suggested by me.
Respectfully Yours,
M. S. McKinstry
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1. Ref: Wisconsin Schroeder Collection, Box 2, folder 1.
2. Mrs. McKinstry here reveals that Robert Patterson, Jr.
contacted her and her "children" prior to his 1879 visit to
D. P. Hurlbut in Ohio.
3. Mrs. McKinstry is responding here to speculation that
the missing copy of "Manuscript Found" may have been
stolen from her mother's trunk by Joseph Smith himself,
and that he may have somehow gotten into her uncle's employ
in order to gain access to his home. (Another version paints
Smith as a common vagabond seen loitering around the
Davison home at Hartwick.) Although a few writers (J. B.
Turner and Mrs. Eaton among them) have raised this possibility
over the years, no evidence has ever surfaced in support of it.
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